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This one needs a second posting... so I am reposting it today. GREAT STUFF!

Posted by: ElvisTrooper    October 6, 2010 1:10:35 PM CDT


f@$% you dude...

Posted by: a mando    October 6, 2010 1:11:58 PM CDT


Ooooooo... controversy!

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 6, 2010 1:30:11 PM CDT


LOL@Mando... now that is comedy!

Posted by: ElvisTrooper    October 6, 2010 1:39:07 PM CDT


those retarded looking mandos are not 501st, get it right, dumb ass.

Posted by: wut    October 6, 2010 1:49:59 PM CDT


That's the point of the comic... to contrast the standards of the 501st with the standards of... that Mando builders group thing.

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 6, 2010 1:54:50 PM CDT


Not even close to correct, The Mando Mercs do have standards for their members costumes , it's not " Throw on Whatever you want with a T-visor" Get you facts right

Posted by: MandoMerc    October 6, 2010 2:05:32 PM CDT


Guess it's pretty easy to highly exaggerate something you don't have the full picture on.

Posted by: hmm    October 6, 2010 2:05:34 PM CDT


Mr. Cable—
As a member of the Mandalorian Mercs Council, I invite you to peruse our forums before making such a classless comment as “vomit-inducing divergence.” As an approved member of both the Mandalorian Mercs and the 501st, I have put a vast amount of time, energy, and financial resources into my kits for both groups. The Mandalorian Mercs do not seek to place themselves in the canon Star Wars universe, nor do we hope to someday ‘usurp’ the 501st, as the rumors say. The Mandalorian Mercs are simply a group of individuals who wish expand on the Mandalorian characterization set forth by author Karen Traviss by allowing a certain amount of creativity and customization when it comes to the creation of our costumes. We do have set standards that all applicants must adhere to before coming official members. I’m sorry that you find it necessary to further enhance the unfounded notion that we are somehow not fit to be Star Wars fans of a caliber similar to those in the 501st and Rebel Legion.

Thank you for your time,
Susan J. Easter
Gabrin Kinoda, Mandalorian Mercs, Council Advisor
TB-6751, 501st Legion, 70th Explorers Garrison


Posted by: Gabrin Kinoda    October 6, 2010 2:22:13 PM CDT


Well I did laugh... But not for the intent of the artist I believe... The lack of knowledge on EITHER group's standards/actual operations is chuckle worthy.

Posted by: Alon    October 6, 2010 2:24:16 PM CDT


I suppose that's one way to increase site traffic ;)

Posted by: Lucas McCoy     October 6, 2010 2:27:04 PM CDT


Is it just me who saw this and actually followed the train of thought that the Stormtroopers/501st were Dull? the idea of "Awe-Inspiring Uniformity" is far more appalling to me than the few Joke Mandos out there. by and large, any serious mando costume is well done. even if they aren't, it tends to be down to skill, not ideas. there are a couple of joke ones around, that's no different to Boba Phat or Chad Vader. if it's a matter of pisstaking of the proper mandos, i'd direct your attention to the myriad people in the Mercs who have costumes that rival the quality of a good Boba Fett costume, but actually took, you know, artistic creativity and didn't just go all Colour-By-Numbers on it. i'll continue being unique, thank you very much.

Posted by: Adenn    October 6, 2010 2:33:13 PM CDT


Mr. Cable, the term is Mandalorian Mercs. We are a LFL recognized costuming group the same as the 501st and the Rebel Legion. Feel free to read more about us at mandalorianmercs.com.

Posted by: Jaiden    October 6, 2010 2:53:13 PM CDT


Sorry you hate creativity. Maybe you shouldn't be writing a comic if you hate experimentation so much? ;)

Posted by: Emma    October 6, 2010 3:04:24 PM CDT


Wow, thank you ElvisTrooper for directing me to this hilarious controversy and debate over a simple, yet funny comic. Keep 'em coming Cable. And guys, learn to laugh at yourself, it keeps you humble. People at these Celebrations enjoy both sides of the coin here.

Posted by: GOPWookiee    October 6, 2010 3:10:15 PM CDT


the comic is laughing along with one side and laughing AT the other

Posted by: merc    October 6, 2010 3:19:47 PM CDT


So... how many of you guys are gonna buy prints of this one? Show of hands?

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 6, 2010 4:21:23 PM CDT


I found the comic amusing. I am part of the 501st and I have many friends in the Mando Mercs.

For those that are offended, I think it's important to understand the context here. The 501st is much larger and far more well-known than the Mercs. Also, the general public, by and large, has no clue about all our clubs. They see someone dressed in a Star Wars costume. That's it.

If the costume is "evil" in nature, and they've at least heard of the 501st, the general assumption is that the person is 501st.

If they know a little more, and the costume is not screen accurate, they assume the person is not part of the 501st because they took liberties with the costume.

Honestly, though, a lot of people don't even know the difference unless the costume is wildly different. I cannot recall the number of times I've 'trooped with someone in Mando armor and had someone call them Boba Fett, regardless of the color of their armor... And correcting those people generally falls on deaf ears.

They see white - oh, it's a Stormtrooper. They see something that resembles the shape of what Boba Fett wore - oh, it's Boba Fett.


Posted by: 501st Girl    October 6, 2010 4:42:57 PM CDT


As a little hint to help your business... it's generally not good to alienate your audience. Star Wars fans read your comic, no? So you trash a group of them? Smart move.

Posted by: Emma    October 6, 2010 4:43:59 PM CDT


WOW..this is great..so much chatter over a simple yet funny comic strip.. EVERYONE just relax and know it was all done in good fun..Mr. Cable you are a funny man!!

Posted by: TheREALGL    October 6, 2010 5:55:35 PM CDT


TheREALGL gets it. It's a comic strip. It's supposed to be funny. It wouldn't be funny if there wasn't a kernel of truth to it, or a bit of an edge to it. This wasn't "trashing" - it was poking fun. Trust me - if I want to trash something it'll be unmistakable.

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 6, 2010 6:59:45 PM CDT


Oooo... look at me! I'm so "creative". I take a Boba Fett costume and make it all sorts of wacky colors, glue some spikes randomly all over it, wear chainmail and paint NERF guns. I'm bad ass! Sorry, the Mercs and "Mandos" will never be respected as costumers because they don't recreate detailed costumes of legendary characters known across the world for decades. Instead they bastardize one of the most popular characters of all time and because most don't have the skills to accurately portray him, they make cheap knockoffs of him.

Posted by: Sickofit    October 7, 2010 8:32:08 AM CDT


In the costuming world and Star Wars in particular, custom Mandolorian armors are like @*@$&!* tattoos: everyone has one, they are all poorly rendered and everyone thinks it makes them unique. Like a stupid Chinese character tattoo that the wearer doesn’t even know what it translates to and had never seen it before they walked into the tattoo parlor, a custom Mando is just a cookie cutter attempt at “expressing one's self” in an effort to be original, while basically conforming to an exact template that telegraphs “Hey, look at me, I’m so original! I took a familiar thing that everyone likes and made a few personal tweaks to show how different I am!” The same mentality behind dozens of garish re-paints of standard Batman action figures is what drives the many, many hideous attempts at “originality” of repainting a Boba Fett helmet in ridiculous colors that make “extreme” surfwear of the 80’s and 90’s seem tasteful and well designed.

Also behind the motivation to make a custom Mando is the desire to be Boba Fett and get all the attention of the Star Wars equivalent of Wolverine without putting half the work into actually making a screen accurate Boba Fett costume. They cut dozens of corners and make hacky cheap costume design decisions behind the unassailable position that theirs is an original creation, therefor they decide when it is done. Don’t want to buy $150 custom made Boba Fett boots? Just wear your hunting boots. Can’t afford Boba’s gun? That’s OK, your Mando uses a repainted Nerf canon. Can’t be bothered by finding a tailor made Fett jumpsuit? Just wear your work coveralls. Didn’t get the leg armor in that trade with Paulie for your old Starship Troopers helmet you never painted? No sweat, just grab a scrap of bright blue fabric, paint a big orange Mandolorian skull on it and viola! A loincloth that covers up all the areas of your costume where you couldn’t be bothered to actually design and decorate your costume.

Which brings me to another point: those stupid @$*&!%# Mandolorian skulls. Sure it looks cool and sure Boba Fett had a small one on his shoulder bell. The mentality of the custom Mando maker is the same as a Yankees fan from Long Island... slap that *#^*@!* logo over everything multiple times as big as you can. You see custom Mandos with flags, capes and loincloths with that !*&#*@ skull on them 32 inches high sometimes.

And the color choices... it would seem as if none of these people have ever seen ESB or ROTJ and only have some of those 4 color Marvel Star Wars comics from the early 80’s to go from. You know, where Boba Fett was rendered in Process Blue, Fireball Orange and Aquamarine. Instead of armor that could possibly be imagined in the background of the cantina, all weathered and muted, you have day glow abortions in every stupid color scheme possible. Either the colors are so noxious as to be unsafe to children and the elderly, or they are simply the most terrible combos, like the person was using a random color generator to come up with a combo no one has used yet in the name of being totally original. Eggplant, tan and baby-shit brown? Why not. Mustard, magenta and avocado green? Sure. Whatever terrible combo you can imagine, trust me, there’s a custom Mando out there wearing it.

And even if the colors don’t totally suck goat balls the design ethic is often idiotic. Meaningless stripes, stupid two-tone patterns that work totally against the design of the armor, senseless angles are all par for the course. Piss poor paint jobs in general are usually standard.

Another aggravating development in the Mando world is the Femme Mando. The ancient warrior women of the Amazon were so hardcore they cut off a breast to enable better handling of their weapon of choice, the bow. Apparently the hardcore assassin warrior sect of Madolorians feel that shapely figures are more important than practicality, because they make their armor with an emphasis on “HEY, LOOKIT MY *@&*!” Yes, that makes sense.

Perhaps the worst type of custom Mando of all is the costumer who actually has skills and spends a lot of money intricately fabricating something that just ends up a dumb made up creation that is just a “Me, too!” tough guy knock off of Boba Fett. What’s the point? Why not just do Fett? Is it because you read too many Punisher and Lobo comics and want to be “more extreme” than Boba Fett? Or is it because you don’t want to wait your turn being Fett at the next event or con so you make your own variation on one of the most popular character in the Star Wars universe?

I could go on and on... the way they talk in their stupid Klingon-on like made up language, the way they often will integrate images and symbols of our modern world that would make no sense in Star Wars like flame jobs, Celtic symbols and color schemes to honor their favorite sports team or Alma Mater, or their dumb idea of what sounds like a Star Wars name with too many pointless apostrophes, like D’shar’te Sh’ah’ull (see, I just randomly typed up gibberish and added apostrophes everywhere). But the point is, whenever the average Star Wars fan sees a custom Mando, you can almost never envision them actually being in a Star Wars movie. They never “feel” like Star Wars, they are simply departure points that end up looking like a cross between a bunch of Rob Liefeld comics and Extreme G.I. Joe repaints.

See, they aren’t Boba Fett, they are an ORIGINAL Mandolorian. All bets are off. Karen Travis said it was OK. No one can tell you your costume is poorly made or incorrect if you just make up your own rules. It’s the ultimate Star Wars costuming cop out. They don’t put in the work of a Boba Fett, they don’t follow the standards of exacting SW costumers and they try to steal all the glory and attention of one of the most popular SW characters there is, all because they have some poorly vac-formed Fett helmet, a Nerf gun, some of mom’s old quilting fabric and a few cans of day-glow Tester’s spray paint.

So to the custom Mado maker, we salute you! You give us , the Star Wars costumer the never ending amusement of shitty tattoos, bad haircuts and bad fantasy art as well as something to bitch about when we’re drinking.


Posted by: Duck    October 7, 2010 9:12:44 AM CDT


^ And assholes like that is why it's not funny Bill.

Posted by: Lucas McCoy    October 7, 2010 11:36:41 AM CDT


I disagree. Just because there's someone out there who might act like a jerk doesn't make the comic itself unfunny.

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 7, 2010 12:15:59 PM CDT


Care to refute what I said, Lucas McCoy? Care to take an opposing point of view? C'mon, I have thick skin, I can take it ... point out how traditional SW costumers are boring anal retentive pinheads with no creativity. Say anything, just don't get all butt-hurt and say it's not funny. Last time I checked, we are all just adults who like to dress up in silly costumes and pretend it's Halloween all year round.

Posted by: Duck    October 7, 2010 12:22:42 PM CDT


So... let me make sure there's no ambiguity on this. If I make a costuming club to troop alongside the 501st and RL, and the focus of the club is purely for palatte-swapped versions of Darth Maul and Femme Vaders, that's totally cool, right? I mean, I'll get full recognition, won't I?

Posted by: DarthHypocrite    October 7, 2010 12:23:44 PM CDT


I was going to join the 501st, but after reading this I am going to join the Mando Mercs.

I've got a T-visor and trooper armor. I'm all set ;)


Posted by: Stormtrooper Boba    October 7, 2010 1:17:19 PM CDT


First, I understand comic social commentary fairly well. It is all in the exaggeration. However, I doubt the artist would feel "it is just a joke" if someone were to do a caracterization of him and in a rude and/or unflattering light. Such as alluding to him being as "anatomically correct as a ken doll" Thanks to Kevin Smith for writing such a good one liner.

Just my two cents And as to Duck, I will say this, the extreme poor costume standards you mention are not likely members of Mando Mercs. And I would bet that Disco Trooper or Pimp trooper, both present at Dragon-Con 2009 are not sanctioned 501 costumes but unlike your close minded tirade, the Mando Mercs members don't launch launch into verbal abuse of another club over it. Here is one last piece of food for though, be mindful how you insult a helmeted costumer, under that bucket could be your employer.


Posted by: Kal_Buir69    October 7, 2010 1:40:14 PM CDT


So, Duck, if I understand you correctly, I never saw a "black painted stormtrooper" in any of the movies, nor have I seen a Republic Commando in any of the movies. So, by your logic, they shouldn't exist in the costuming world either. By the same logic, anyone who dresses as a Jedi that is not Anakin, Obi-wan, or the people we see on screen, should all go away as well. Further, if you do dress as a Jedi or Sith, using your logic, shouldn't your face at least resemble the actual on-screen faces of those jedi? All people who dress as Luke, Han, Leia, etc, should not because their faces do not look like Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fischer, etc. I am just following your logic. Imagine a world where fans are not allowed to dress like their favorite characters because they do not physically "look" like their favorite character. Following your logic, again, all Expanded Universe characters should be banned because they were not seen in the movies. How can someone support a view that is so rigid, that it will not allow for creative and imaginative additions into a purely "made-up" world? After all, you did accept Jar Jar Binks, didn't you? I think all 3 clubs have something to offer. I think there is enough room for all three clubs to co-exist. I am a huge Star Wars fan and I believe any expression of a persons love for Star Wars is a good expression. Whether that person be 100% screen accurate, or goes completely out of the realm of possibility, they are a Star Wars fan, and I have a common thread with them. I would not desire to stifle their expression of that love.

Posted by: Star Wars Fan    October 7, 2010 1:45:24 PM CDT


Well it is fun to poke fun at other people. ElvisTrooper, you are known for being non-canon, Duck you are building a generic Ep3 Wookiee that is crossed with a BattleFront Wookie, and the very first time I saw a painted up NERF Longshot was in the hands of a Sandtrooper at an official 501st event. Great fun!

Posted by: Harbinger    October 7, 2010 2:14:23 PM CDT


@Duck: I understand what you're saying, but it makes more sense to have hundreds of identical Stormtrooper uniforms than hundreds of Fett look-alikes. After all, Stormtroopers were a dime a dozen in the Empire and their uniform was designed to be nondescript on an individual level. Note that the Clone Troopers during the Clone wars tended to have all kinds of signature paints and small add ons (I forget if it was Heavy or Fives that had the blue blood stain handprint on his breastplate).

This mark of individuality gained through combat was a carry-over from Mandalorian lineage. Being Mandalorian by blood made them have a certain amount of Mandalorian thinking and tendencies. Battle defined you and took you from being a "shiny" to someone having a name and thus an identity.

This is just part of Mando culture. Mandos are not, and should not be, stormtroopers. They will not, and should not, all have identical suits of armor unless the character they are portraying is part of a particular group of mandos set in a time period where that group wore matching uniforms. But even then they would be likely to take on certain "trophies" they would wear proudly on their sleeves.

My argument is that this is the way that canon "true Mandos" *ought* to be portrayed.

Now, personally, I tend to agree with you somewhat on the choice of color schemes. Some of the colors people pick seem a little bit out there. But you can't say that a unique SWU character that someone might write a book about wouldn't be the kind of person to wear a bright red and blue layout like spiderman had. Mando armor in SWU reflects the personality of the wearer just as the uniqueness of a lightsaber reflects the personality of it's maker and wielder.

My real problem with what you were saying, though, is that you seem to think that REAL Star Wars fans ought to ALWAYS portray CANON Star Wars characters and that Original Characters (OCs) are cheap cop-outs. This cannot be any farther from the truth.

If it weren't for people creating new characters and new stories, there would be nothing more to Star Wars than the movies, and likely only the original trilogy.

It's the desire to be reincarnated into the SWU as a unique and original character which has become the heart and soul of all of Star Wars fandom.

This is why TOR is coming out. KOTOR was so successful, they realized that EVERYONE wants to live in SWU and to make unique and meaningful characters to contribute to the story and the history of SW.

If your character is a Stormtrooper, then it's to be expected that they wear a uniform roughly identical to other Stormtroopers. That's just part of the context. But if your character is a Modern Era True Mando, then it's expected that your armor will be unique in some way and reflect your character's personality and fighting style.

It wouldn't *work* for all the mandos to try to be Boba Fett because Boba Fett has already been done. His story is told from beginning to end. Nothing new to add. A Stormtrooper, on the other hand, has almost limitless possibilities as there were millions of them scattered across the galaxy.

It's not a cop-out to be original. It's a sign of the utmost dedication to SW fandom. This is not to say troopers with identical armor is inferior, rather that we all want to put on costumes and pretend that we live in SWU.

And just like some characters in Star Wars hardly speak while others won't shut up, I'm sure some Mandos pick low-key colors while others bask in the attention and fear of others and want their armor to stand out like a freakin sore thumb.

But now we have found the Dark Side of Fandom common to all fanbases of any kind: Rivalry where there ought to be kinship.

I'm working on my first Beskar'gam right now and I can't wait for it to be finished. I don't care if anyone else thinks my brown and blue color scheme will be "vomit-inducing[ly] divergent."


Posted by: Pleh    October 7, 2010 2:20:14 PM CDT


This reminds me of a YouTube video I posted after CV of 501st Stormtroopers. I dared call it a "parade" and was promptly told it wasn't a "parade" but a "march." I guess synonyms are also unacceptable in the 501st. Next time I'll call it an ostentation.

Posted by: E...    October 7, 2010 2:46:43 PM CDT


Play comic book artist all you want Bill, but don't turn my club into the punching bag and open us up for folks like Duck who can hide behind anonymity to bash us while we constantly strive to better our costumes and our perception among the Star Wars costuming community.

It's called ethics in print and multimedia. Minimize Harm. Google it.


Posted by: Lucas McCoy     October 7, 2010 2:54:57 PM CDT


Sheesh... I'm starting to feel like the Jyllands-Posten here.

Posted by: Bill Cable     October 7, 2010 3:01:27 PM CDT


@Duck: Your post is comprised of uninformed half truths and opinionated trash talk. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though. The Mandos you describe are generally not approved, official Mandalorian Mercs any more then this guy is 501st http://www.wtfcostumes.com/costumes/costumes/box_stormtrooper_costume.jpg

Mandalorians are well represented in Star Wars cannon literature with a variety of brightly colored armor and unique variations. Just as stormtroopers have been expanded upon with dark troopers, commandos and more variations seen in the 501st ranks.

The Mercs costuming guidelines are constantly evolving as the club grows. However, even the most cursory glance over the Mercs costuming guildlines would show you that the very "Femme Mando" you describe isn't allowed within our group. An official Merc Femme Mando isn't showing any flesh or wearing skintight outfits highlighting her assets.

This is the internet and anyone can say whatever they want, their is no real consequence. I however included my email address on my post if you wish to correspond more on the topic. Only trolls hide.

@Bill Cable: It was almost funny. Maybe next time use Boxtrooper or Chad Vader or something equally ridiculous as KISS mando.


Posted by: Synnr     October 7, 2010 3:43:54 PM CDT


Quote: "I will say this, the extreme poor costume standards you mention are not likely members of Mando Mercs."

Interesting. A casual glance at their website turned up gems such as these within seconds:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs664.snc4/60412_1619085483428_1425129990_1613260_5014950_n.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/jfett69/lowes.jpg


Posted by: Sickofit    October 7, 2010 6:43:03 PM CDT


none of those look that bad

Posted by: TKtrooper    October 7, 2010 8:24:35 PM CDT


Oh so your problem is with FAT people in costume. Interesting since the 501st is home to large men and women all squeezed into the overpriced Tupperware you call "armor". Don't get me started on all the Cottage Cheese Thighed Slave Leias. The Maker only knows how many obese Jedi and X-wing pilots dot the member roster of Rebel Legion. But you of course are a perfectly fit individual. Gotcha. Congratulations on winning the "Internet Douchebag of the Week Award".

Posted by: Harbinger    October 7, 2010 10:22:03 PM CDT


I understand the hurt feelings on both sides. But...isn't this a free country? It isn't like Bill burned an original copy of Star Wars is it?

Posted by: Bruce L    October 8, 2010 7:59:34 AM CDT


@sickofit

Actually, in that first picture there's only 2 of those guys who are official members at this time. The twi'lek mando on the far left, and one in the very back.

The second picture is very misleading because it doesn't show the entire suit, which is better than some "approved" Bobas I've personally seen.

I can take a picture and toss it up and say anything I want without investigating it. Unfortunately, that would make look like a total ass when someone (like me) comes along and actually knows what he's talking about.

I don't personally see the cartoon as offensive, but I do think it's in very bad taste and poor judgment on the artists part. Kinda reminds me of one of those artists who paint images of Allah or Muhammad, just to get their 15 minutes of fame.


Posted by: enlightened1    October 8, 2010 8:24:17 AM CDT


Didn't I just say I was starting to feel like Jyllands-Posten??? ;-)

I think you guys are either extremely hyper-sensitive or bat-shit nuts if you think this comic is "in very bad taste." "In very bad taste??" It's a drawing of a bad Mando costume! It's about the tamest frickin' thing you could ever possibly draw. I can see that this comic shines a light on an issue you guys are obviously struggling with, but to classify it as in bad taste is just laughable. You can't expect all of fandom to ignore all the ridiculous Mando costumes out there just because you guys want to be respected. Respect is earned, not granted. It's your job to get there.

As far as fame goes, I'll have you know this comic survived for weeks in abject anonymity, and I was perfectly fine with that. It was only after Elvistrooper posted it on Facebook (thanks a lot, Ken...) that anyone outside my core readership saw the thing. So you're wrong if you think I did this to generate controversy for the sake of fame. I did it because I thought it was funny and astute. And frankly, I must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get you guys all riled up like this.

PS: Only joking on the sarcastic thank you, Ken. I was going for the quick chuckle there. I appreciate any effort to spread the word about C7YB... even ones that lead to whiny bitchfests. ESPECIALLY ones that lead to whiny bitchfests!!


Posted by: Bill Cable     October 8, 2010 8:44:04 AM CDT


I thought it was hysterical, well done

Posted by: J man    October 8, 2010 11:47:09 AM CDT


I was going to stay out of this. I really was...

I have a custom Mando as well as several accurate, canon 501st and Rebel Legion approved costumes, and I'm proud of the time and effort that I put into each one of them. I appreciate the vast variety that exists in the SW costuming world. There truly is something for everyone.

I have no problem with the cartoon itself...it is actually humorous because like it or not, both of those types do regularly show up at cons.

But what I do have trouble with is the nasty "fan war" that goes on within our own fandom. EU vs. Movie Canon, Mando vs. Jedi, ad nauseum. It's annoying as hell.

Perhaps some of this venom is an extension of Mando-hate based on disdain for Karen Traviss and her books, but whatever. Both sides of the debate are entitled to their opinions, but the trolling and nasty attitudes are unacceptable.

Another thing that is uncalled for is posting links to pics of real people in their costumes so they can be publicly mocked on the internet. A silly cartoon posted by an artist is one thing, but keep individual costumers and their creations out of this.


Posted by: Duchess Satine    October 8, 2010 12:52:59 PM CDT


"It's a drawing of a bad mando costume" and yet you seem surprised that the mandos show up to defend themselves against your attack.

That's not a "whiny bitchfest", that's a group of people not silently letting some asshole pick on them.


Posted by: Lucas McCoy    October 8, 2010 1:32:56 PM CDT


WOW, how about all that. Let me repeat one thing I wrote in my posting on FaceBook that started all of this. "I love my Mando brothers." It's true, some of my best friends are Mandos.

I still think this comic is funny from the first time I read it and now. I can speak from years of experience from being in the costume and convention world. So this is a reminder...WE ALL WEAR PLASTIC SUITS FOR FUN... just try and remember that and don't take this or anything else too seriously. I have been the but of hundreds of jokes over the years but I still do it because I have fun doing it and there are a lot of other people that enjoy it right along with me.

But for those that still don't get it, this comic takes a look at 2 extremes views in 2 of the larger costume groups. not all 501st guy are like that and not all Mandos are like that.


Posted by: ElvisTrooper    October 8, 2010 2:18:04 PM CDT


I think you costuming guys need to grow some thicker skins. The armor obviously isn't cutting it.

Posted by: jareedo    October 8, 2010 5:17:55 PM CDT


I am going to purchase 1 of these prints of this comic and with permission have them blown up into poster size. THEN I will go to Allentown comic convention and have both parties sign them for each other. Then I will send the "opposing" costumers poster to them for posterity..

Mr. Cable do I have your permission?

and to all those who said &^%$ YOU!....

%$@#& and %$#%@ you too

:-P


Posted by: TheREALGL    October 8, 2010 5:24:28 PM CDT


I thought that the Mandos were all pacifists now?

Posted by: Jim    October 9, 2010 5:25:34 AM CDT


I initially thought this was funny cause it does show the extremes of both clubs. But after reading the artist's writeup at the bottom, I see what he REALLY means.

"The first with the potential to produce awe-strikingly impressive uniformity"

Wow...very nice and full off complimentary words. Then he talks about the Mandos

"The second capable of vomit-inducing divergence"

Ya think you could have worded it a little less disgusted?

I am a member of all three clubs. I troop alot and was at CV. Yeah I have seen some horrible Mercs that need some work. But I have seen just as many terrible 501st members, especially the Bobas. What someone said about the Legion quality being based on local approval guys is a huge flaw for us right now. I just finished my girlfriends jawa before CV and it was not approved. After looking at it I saw some problems too, so was glad he spotted em. However at CV, I talked to some terrible Jawas that were already in the Legion! Then don't get me started on how the Rebel Legion approved it, dispite the Legion denying it.

I don't know about all Mercs, but I know the poster in here thats all ranty for the Legion isn't talking about my Mando. Most of my Merc consists of screen accurate parts I share with my Boba. The parts that are unique to my Merc are to the same exacting measurements, materials and construction as my Boba. So I guess to satisfy the Merc haters in here you have to be able to have a Legion Boba? Ok, then, check!

All I know is I joined the Mercs first. Being able to be creative and scratchbuild stuff drew me in. I like making stuff. I later joined the Legion, but I mean really if your bank account is big enough, anyone can get in. It's all cookie cutter. Join a forum, PM a builder, pay outrageous prices and slap it together and your a TK. Wow, I'm impressed - you can follow directions. No artistry or skill involved.

I do have issue with some of my Merc brother though that think just because "___" is the minimum standard and how you CAN use a modded Nerf doesn't mean you should do these things. Some Mercs cut corners and do it the cheapest and easiest way & sometimes it shows. Unless you have skills, those things will show through.

I am very fortunate though. 99% of the Legion up here likes us Mercs. Hell, our GML is a Merc. It's all about having fun and sharing in the craft of costuming.

I do challenge the artist to draw another version of this comic, this time showing the amazing creativity & artistry of the mercs, versus the cookie cutter off the shelf crock of the Legion. But he won't cause his true colors show through of him being a 501st fanboy with what he says.

Try making a Merc and passing OUR standards, douche! (Duck, Bill & all the other haters)


Posted by: BP    October 18, 2010 2:53:16 AM CDT


You know, Bill, I think the only real solution to this debate is to start a Protocol Droid costumers club. Maybe just show up at the next con in gold face paint or glue some wiring to your navel.

Posted by: Tresob     October 19, 2010 12:32:04 AM CDT


Hey hey, it's all fun, right you Mando Mercs?

Doesn't sound like it. Maybe you Mando Merc guys should practice what you preach and not take everything so damn serious. And that is coming from one of the fiercest TK nuts out there, who still laughed about BOTH sides to this strip.

What you also tend to ignore is that the Mercs aren't even mentioned, unlike the 501st. In fact the comment said there is NO structure, and now tell me: How many CRAPPY "custom Mandos" are running around out there without any affiliation that just don't cut it qualitywise...


Posted by: R2Dan    October 19, 2010 11:18:14 AM CDT


But see, your kind of wrong here. The Mando being a Merc is implied. The artist even gets close to saying it outright in his comment - which no one still gets is what all the Mercs are mad about. 99% thought the comic was funny...it's his "collected thoughts" that were offensive. He states, "two camps". That means two groups - i.e. two clubs. Yeah he could mean the non affiliated Mandos, but if he means unaffiliated costumers, why not show a Rubies TK or the TIE dyed fighter pilots...or Elvis trooper?

I honestly never understood the uproar till i read that comment though. I think the other thing is the Mercs would just like the stigma to go away someday of our sportspad/cardboard armor past. Luckily, most of the Mercs know that the way to do this is up our game, which we are doing.


Posted by: BP    October 20, 2010 12:16:45 AM CDT


So should we start lumping all the crappy Imperial costumes in with the 501st now? Sweet, all those Rubies Stormtroopers, Costumebase Imperial Officers, and Anime/Bondage gear Sith Lords... you have a home!

Posted by: Harbinger    October 20, 2010 3:16:51 PM CDT


Collected thoughts:

Scenes from Celebration V: Armor
2010-09-15 07:39:08

Well... Operation "Earn Bill $2" did exactly that... earned me $2. I only sold the one print. I guess hot babes aren't what the readership here is craving when it comes to things to hang on their walls. Back to the drawing board... quite literally, actually.

Today's strip reveals yet another truism of Star Wars Celebrations. Two camps. Diametrically opposed. One structured. The other freeform. The first with the potential to produce awe-strikingly impressive uniformity. The second capable of vomit-inducing divergence. Enjoy.


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